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#1 User is offline   Kyek 

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Posted 27 June 2010 - 06:43 AM

Hey everyone :) Long time no see!

So if you visit the site regularly at all, you'll have noticed that pesky "IPS Driver Error" screen claiming that there's a communication issue with the database. This problem has been increasingly annoying over the past few days, and I've taken some steps to fix it. Unfortunately, they were all just band-aids and the problem came back. Again and again and again. And also possibly again.

I have a handful of options to get us running a bit more permanently, but they're all more noticeable to you guys than what I've been doing so far.

The underlying problem is that the database powering this forum is huge. It's not been pruned (meaning, deleting all items older than a certain date) ever since launch. Every single post ever made here is still here -- even the deleted ones. Because of that, our database is over a gig. That puts a lot of strain on the server even when you view a thread, but it just sits back and laughs at you if you try a search.

Obviously we don't want to lose all the awesome history here, but there are pieces that are pretty safe to lose. The first step will be deleting all marketplace posts that have gone longer than 60 days without a new post. Because seriously, who needs those? Also, there's a bunch of guild forums that haven't been used in practically ever, and we can safely kill those off too.

Before I prune anything else, though, I'm going to make some server upgrades that will require me to pull Imps offline for a few minutes at a time. So if you can't connect in the near future, just try in 5-10 minutes and we should be back :P.

That's not the biggest thing I want to do, however. What will make the biggest difference is getting this forum updated to Invision Power Board 3. Right now we're on 2.2.2. IPB3 has a few features that make it far (far) less taxing on the server, and treats the database much more nicely to boot. But other than the cost, there's a pretty big catch.

There's no guild forums system for IPB3. Oh crap.

I've spoken to a bunch of you about this and there's mixed feelings across the board. No one wants to see guild forums go away, obviously, but the IPS Database Driver errors have gotten so crazy that the general verdict is that losing guild forums sucks, but dealing with IPS errors sucks more.

But let me make something super clear. In the rare and LAST RESORT case that I have to upgrade to IPB3 at the expense of guild forums, the posts in the current forums will not be lost. Worst-case scenario, we'll have another "Archive" (like for the old phpbb forum that we switched from years ago) for just guild forums, and those with accounts there will always be able to get in and retrieve posts.

Finally, there's one more step I can take to improve things after we switch to IPB3 (if it comes to that). I have another dedicated server that's more customizable, more powerful, and better equipped to handle our site. I'm running another forum there so I can't move Imps there until it's on IPB3 and plays nicer with the server, but it's a good option once we're to that point. In the interest of full disclosure, however, this server is in France. I know, I know, kicking and screaming, etc etc. It has nothing to do with Ankama or that old April Fools' joke coming true ;-). It's just that servers there are oh so much cheaper than the servers here. In fact, about a third of the cost of what we're on right now, for a more powerful machine.

So that's that! I don't want to delay the process too much, but it wouldn't be fair to start deleting posts with next to no warning, either. So if there's anything you want in the marketplace or an inactive guild forum, grab a copy of it before... let's say 9PM tonight, EDT (1AM tomorrow GMT), and I'll make sure not to kill things until then. Cool? Cool.

That's that :). If I have to deviate from this at all or delete more stuff or sell the site to Ankama (just kidding) or anything, I'll post again :). Until then, hopefully this gets the place all fixed up!

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  Posted 27 June 2010 - 07:03 AM

You did a damn good job at posting all that in english instead of Klingon.
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It's prolly totally weird that I thought you were a dude, even though your icon thing is pink.
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Posted 27 June 2010 - 08:18 AM

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Posted 27 June 2010 - 08:44 AM

Thanks, Kyek! I'm just glad I don't have to try to half-explain things to people anymore :). We appreciate all the work you've been doing on this, though, and I'm sure we'll be able to figure something out once we upgrade to 3.0. *HEART*
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Posted 27 June 2010 - 08:57 AM

Just go for it, it's clearly got problems so the sooner the better. If you need donations to upgrade....count me in.

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Posted 27 June 2010 - 09:58 AM

I'm gonna miss those IPS errors when they're gone. They've helped me through some hard times. They've been a true friend.
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Posted 27 June 2010 - 10:27 AM

Just a guess, but there might be bigger reasons to upgrade to IPB3 in the future so maybe it's not a bad idea to do it now. Old marketplace topics are great for price checking so a few more months wouldn't hurt, but I think 60 days has been plenty for me this far. Nice to see you haven't abandoned this site completely nor mind dealing with the technical issues it has =)
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Posted 27 June 2010 - 11:57 AM

Nice to hear its being resolved (or moreso read)
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Posted 27 June 2010 - 12:07 PM

Who is this guy?

I kid I kid.

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Posted 27 June 2010 - 12:20 PM

Thank's for taking care of the forum, I support any path u have to take to improve it. :)
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Posted 27 June 2010 - 07:50 PM

Reconfigs are done with only a couple minutes of downtime -- so far no pruning, but I want to see how the forum does under this configuration before I go that far. Please let me know if you experience the IPS error again!

Even if this DOES fix it, as Tasuja said, upgrading to IPB 3 is still a good idea. But thankfully this would give us more time to figure out a good solution without completely abandoning guild forums and blogs. So we'll see what this does for us and go from there :)
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Posted 28 June 2010 - 10:56 AM

Would it be advisable to do some guild forum pruning? Mine for example is nearly 50 pages of posts some more than 3 years old. 95% of it being trash.

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 02:00 PM

So if this gets upgraded to 3 or whatever, you are saying there will be no guild forums as in all current guild forums are deleted, but we will have the capability to use imps to make new guild forums or that with the upgrade, we will not be able to use imps as a place to host our guild forums?
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Posted 28 June 2010 - 02:32 PM

View PostArchangel-xx, on Jun 28 2010, 05:00 PM, said:

So if this gets upgraded to 3 or whatever, you are saying there will be no guild forums as in all current guild forums are deleted, but we will have the capability to use imps to make new guild forums or that with the upgrade, we will not be able to use imps as a place to host our guild forums?

If I were to upgrade right now, you would have access to all old guild forum posts in a separate webpage on imps. But the forum itself would no longer have guild forums at all.

Thankfully, the issue seems to be resolved without needing to go that far. We'll still need to upgrade and move in the future, but the hope is that by the time we get there, the guild forums system will be ready for IPB3 and we won't need to drop that feature.
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Posted 28 June 2010 - 03:17 PM

Kyek can we get new skins? This blue theme is soooo old. We need to get with the times, we're practically wearing mom jeans.




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Posted 28 June 2010 - 04:04 PM

View Postebob, on Jun 28 2010, 06:17 PM, said:

Kyek can we get new skins? This blue theme is soooo old. We need to get with the times, we're practically wearing mom jeans.


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Posted 28 June 2010 - 06:09 PM

Not a bad idea.
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Posted 28 June 2010 - 09:29 PM

View PostTasuja, on Jun 27 2010, 12:27 PM, said:

Just a guess, but there might be bigger reasons to upgrade to IPB3 in the future so maybe it's not a bad idea to do it now. Old marketplace topics are great for price checking so a few more months wouldn't hurt, but I think 60 days has been plenty for me this far. Nice to see you haven't abandoned this site completely nor mind dealing with the technical issues it has =)


Agreed an upgrade has long been overdue lets do this already :<
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Posted 29 June 2010 - 03:24 PM

Here's a thought from a programmer who still has to use column rules.

In the old Imps posts, there's a lot of broken images, like so:

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If those were replaced with a bit of text, like <broken image>, it would probably save some space. If it's not possible to search and replace those directly, perhaps the community could search through all the old posts, compile the links to posts where those exist and send them to the mods to edit (or to Kyek to run a perl script on the database).

I suggest whosoever finds the most should get a video of Kyek eating a hot pepper, for old times sake. :lol:

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 09:24 PM

View PostYrona, on Jun 29 2010, 06:24 PM, said:

I suggest whosoever finds the most should get a video of Kyek eating a hot pepper, for old times sake. :o

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